Comments: The dog trainer's trainer

“There are several Dog Trainers out there. To write about another popular Dog trainer is the obvious, I find your comments offensive. I would never use your training methods as there are several techiques out there. Everyone should be able to Train Dogs and not be so unkind to other Dog Trainers... get a clue !!!” — Kimberly, Nov 18 2009

“Wow, can everyone chill out? I agree with dr. Dynbar, having been a person that Ceasar's methods were used- and in turn my dog is now worse than before. The sight of my dog being choked bc she is strongwilled unitl she submitted was awful! BTW- remember- Ceaser's show is a TV show you don't see everything that happens and I do think the general public takes his methods bc they are lazy. However, when it comes to last resorts, and all other training has failed, I would chose to try Ceaser first b4 euth. a dog. does that make sense? I am aganist his methods as a first, 2nd, or even 3rd route and they should only be used by him or people trained by him as an absoulte last resort. There are behavorists in my city that claim to use his methods and my dogs have gotten hurt bc of that.( literlly- they have stiches now) Quite slinging mud and grow up. Wow.” — tavia , Oct 30 2009

“I would love to see Ian Dunbar take some of the dogs Cesar Millan works with, and turn them around. Cesar, and those like him, have a realistic grasp on how to train dogs. Anything else is garbage. Lots of dog trainers wannabe's can talk the talk, but they can't walk thge walk.” — Jean, Sep 26 2009

“I am a new member just trying to rescue my virtual dog. After reading 2 pages of comens by 2 seemingly very angry members about 2 dog trainers' skills and lack of, I am leaving the site. When I retun, I do hoethe 2 commentators are fnishd with their name- calling, arguing, etc. I joined to rscu dogs not get invoved in a human dog fight.
Ceah” — Ceah, Sep 24 2009

“I just came here to read about Ian Dunbar, whose books were recommended by my dog's trainer. I seem to have stumbled into a flame war with lots of name-calling. Could the moderator please remove the confusing and insulting posts, so those of us who want to learn about dog training don't have to slog through the vitriole? Most sites have a "Report this" option, but I can't find it. Thanks!” — Wendy, Jun 03 2009

“ “'The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else.'
-George Bernard

That's why everyone thinks you are a giant wanker and nobody believes a word you write.

Aside from being a giant scumbag, you haven't explained why you took my handle from Youtube instead of using your own. Too many defeats under your own name?

Come on lying dolt, we all know you tried to distort Dr. Dunbar's quote. You must be a colossal fool to think you would have gotten away with such dishonesty. Specially in regards to a factual pro Dunbar article.

You must be quite the dunce to think anyone is going to buy into your lies about Stan Rawlinson. If the administration has any integrity they will not tolerate your defamatory lies about Mr. Rawlinson for long. So my dear liar, do you have a degree? Just how stupid are you to make diagnoses based on your delusional fantasies about Stan Rawlinson.

BTW, Why don't you call Dr. Dunbar a “purely positive Nazi”, like you did in Youtube under your original handle?

And no lie you can tell about Rawlinson, Dunbar, Leuscher, Dodman, or any other person will change the fact that you uses abusive, backward methods. What you do is not much better than Michael Vick but at least he was honest in what he was doing and as we know there is nothing honest about anything you write.

“Dr. Nicholas Dodman - Professor and Head, Section of Animal Behavior
Director of Behavior Clinic, Tufts University - Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine
“Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways. My college thinks it is a travesty. We’ve written to National Geographic Channel and told them they have put dog training back 20 years.”

To the detriment and suffering of dogs everywhere, Millan has revived a jerk and choke approach to training that had been rightly abandoned by all thinking people.

When a world class researcher LD Mech writes about the alpha concept:
“The issue is not merely one of semantics or political correctness. It is one of biological correctness such that the term we use for breeding wolves accurately captures the biological and solcial role of the animals rather than perpetuate a faulty view”

Another world renowned expert debunking the BS promoted by the TV dog groomer. Who has more credibility and better credentials. The Director at a university or the TV guy schlepping a product to an unsuspecting audience with a 42 minute infomercial. Other than his fanatical zealots, no one else questions whose opinion carries greater authority.

Millan's message appeals to ignorant, lazy dog owners who want the illusion of control that such methods given them. They find it easier to bully, threaten and abuse a dog into helplessness rather than take the time to train them and really communicate with them. As Dr. Dunbar says, people like Millan and his followers can beat dogs because they are “beatable” and will forgive such transgressions the way other animals would not.

You are deluded paranoid pathetic individual who is afraid of the truth and in your sick twisted mind everyone who calls you out on the garbage you post is the same person. Why don't you actually try to find real evidence. Your sad attempts to poison the well aren't working.

Erich Klinghammer, PhD, Ethologist and professor emeritus at Purdue University and the president
of the North American Wildlife Federation. : “the so-called alpha roll overpracticed by some is nonsense.”


“…if it’s how you want to live with your dog I have news that is going to disappoint a lot of people who have striven to reach Alpha status – it all means diddly squat to your dog.” -- John Fisher





” — PrometheansFire, May 04 2009

“'The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else.'
-George Bernard

What a Plonker!

You are kidding me? That was Hilarious!
What you try to do?
That you gonna get the attention of the APDT Members if You Put your name next to Dunbar and Friends... and they gonna think you are an Intelligent and respectable trainer?... and they gonna contact you?
LOL! Always trying to boost your profile don't you?

If I confuse you, was with somebody who got a Severe brain Trauma!

Please, you are unable even of handle your 2 accounts here and now you try to Defuse and Bury your mistake posting other
Clap-Trap-quote... Too late!
Besides I was aware of that alias too.

Apart from the fact that Stan Rawlinson clearly displays himself as seriously unbalanced his multiple names and the
different characters he uses to live through his fantasies indicates a disturbances deep within the psych of this erratic individual.
One thing is known about Stan Rawlinson and is easily established, his behaviour does not conform to what most people perceive as as mentally healthy, in fact his behaviour all over the Internet is quite Bizarre and conforms more to the behaviour of a Deranged Urangutan than a respectable, responsible business person.

But maybe some one here thinks I made all of this, lets see the last news about this Ignoranus... From the K9 Magazine:

UPDATE: Stan Rawlinson Self Called 'Doglistener' has been caught up in yet another row about his Self Created ‘credentials’.
Stan Rawlinson, the man who refers to himself as ‘Doglistener’ amongst several other (not always male) identities, has been caught up in yet another row about his Self Created ‘credentials’.
Rawlinson, well known to K9 Magazine readers for previous serious indiscretions, was, as recently as last week, claiming to be a ’spokesperson’ for a number of high profile organisations, including the BBC and Disney. A claim which is emphatically a lie. A claim which he has now had to retract.
This is Not the First Time Rawlinson has attempted to publicly Mislead people about his Identity and Credentials.
In December of 2006 Geoff Paulsen of The Walt Disney Company contacted us to demand the removal of any implied link between the “Disney” name and “specifically Stanley Rawlinson” after the self-titled ‘Doglistener’ claimed to have been a ‘behavioural spokesperson’ for the famous US organisation.
Rawlinson was made aware of Disney’s position but, it would appear, he’s been back up to his old tricks only this time he’s dragged the good names of the BBC, ITV and Sky News in to his fantasy world.
As the screen capture below shows, the ‘Doglistener’ was again Misrepresenting the nature of his relationship with those organisations in order to Boost his Credentials on his website claiming himself to be a ’spokesman’ for the aforementioned corporations, in reality - he’s Not, nor ever has been anything of the sort.

So, Again, Who is the Liar?

'Some cause happiness wherever they go;
Others, whenever they go' -Oscar Wilde
” — PrometheansFire, May 04 2009

“Mr. Millan's philosophy and mindset are also based on science--the outdated science of the 1950's which overemphasized and completely misinterpreted the role of social hierarchy in wolves, and then applied these mistaken notions to dogs. He is not alone in basing his ideas on "dominance" and "pack theory," concepts that most mainstream trainers today consider to be virtually irrelevent to training or understand behavior.

Barry McDonald” — PrometheansFire, May 03 2009

“Not only are you a habitual liar, a plagiarist but you are also highly disturbed.

In other boards you accuse everyone who refutes your idiotic rantings of being the same person. You've even claimed that I was 1) Stan Rawlinson 2) Jean Donaldson 3) Ian Dunbar 4) Nicholas Dodman and a host of other people who have shredded the impotent arguments you put forth. In your deluded, crippled mind everyone who falsifies your vapid claims is the same person.

In fact, once we remove the fabrications, lies, deceptions, accusations and plagiarism from your posts there is nothing left to them.

Face it idiot, you are a plagiarist. Corinthian caught red handed stealing from Sudduth and others. It's only after the fact, once it had been shown you had stolen the their work that you'd even mentioned the names of your victims. Let's not even go your attempt to distort the work of Dr. Dunbar by taking quoting a snippet out of context. Just another example of your inability to comprehend the issues involved as well as your rampant dishonest and thorough lack of integrity. I won't even mention your parole violations that mandate you stay away from the internet much less the fact that you've been banned under your various guises from dozens of boards where trolls like you are not tolerated.

Numnuts, ever hear of working drafts? Editing? Re-writes? I suggest you take advantage of the word-pro features that came with the computer, or at least get a child to check your work.... sorry I forgot that the judge said you are not allowed near children.

Here is another hint:
Sentence = subject + predicate

Try it.

BTW Jerkwad, user/PrometheansFire, Joined: June 05, 2007. Long before you ever co-opted this handle.” — PrometheansFire, May 03 2009

“A great Many people think they are thinking when they are merely Rearranging their Prejudices.
-William James

More Horse Apples from you!
that pretty much says it all about your Poor reply.

Coward? How many faces do you have?
I mean, here, you have at last 2!
Looks it's a common (or I must say Bizarre?) behaviour in you, don't you? that and Project your Inadequacies into others, Right?
You has been banned from several forums here and on UK because your anti social nature, you are Known like an Untrustworthy Person some one that usually Mislead, Misinform and Deceive.
Right Now you just get other Account Suspended don't you?
Any one can verify that just search for the account of
-PrometheansFires- on You Tube
What was this time? told me, Perhaps you was making, again, Derogatory Remarks to another woman?

'stealing the work of others'? LOL! Wrong Ignoranus.
But I will go with it for argument sake that is a hell of a contribution.
None of your Weak Objections Challenge the Truth of the posts.
All your posts has been Severely Flawed by me and others
I grab sources from what I consider as personal experience to be a point of view Worth Mentioning.
I'm making of that Words useful tools against your Misleading claims and
Clap- traps posts. (6 quotes)

People like you are Moronic Hypocrites, on one hand enjoying all the benefits that science provide and at the same time
Poo-Pooing other aspects of science you don't like.
You has been Exposed like the Poser-Wannabe Schutzhund Trainer that you claim, the Truth is you are nothing more than a Scammer an I Know-it-all/I Know-Nothing-at-all or in scientific terms a
Blah,Blah-ologyst.

Liar?... I can Probe ALL of my claims.
... Can you do the same?... How I must call you this time?
'Please don't Lie to me, unless you're absolutely sure I'll never find out the Truth.' -Ashleigh

- Id quot circumiret, circumveniat.

- What goes around, comes around.” — PrometheansFire, May 02 2009

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